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#4246 elemimele

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Posted 27 September 2020 - 11:39

yes, the simplicity appeals to me too. The point about hemp rope makes sense too; I believe the steel E-string on a violin was partly a response to the fact that gut E-strings tended to break, and weren't weather-proof.

On the quest for volume, it is absolutely true. It started when the public concert began (Bannister's concerts in London, I believe). Obviously the more noise you can make, the bigger the paying audience you can have. The modern concert grand piano is a highly developed machine for getting the very biggest sound possible from hitting a string. It really only pays lip-service to its origins in its shape. Tensions increased in stringed instruments, to get more oomph, so their geometries changed.

Of course there have been other quests too, for example the quest for uniformity between all notes and all keys (which was so important to Boehm in the flute). Unfortunately I think that one went off the rails too. It began as a desirable aim to make all keys usable, because each had their own flavour. The ultimate solution was to make all keys identical, so they can all be used, but since they all sound the same, there's no point any more. But again our beautiful imperfect recorder saves the day, because its notes aren't all identical. Each note has its own flavour, its own strength, so music containing a lot of forked C-sharps will sound different to music containing only un-forked Cs.

Both the quest for uniformity and the quest for volume, I think, sacrificed interest in timbre. I find it sort of weird that people get so excited about the nuances of difference between old Italian violins, and more modern German ones, and master violins of today, etc., when all these instruments are being strung in a way that changes their sound dramatically from what the maker intended.

But there is so much fun to be had. Here is a very special recording that goes to the heart of the quest for novelty, the quest for sound, the questions musicians must ask about an authentic performance. It's a piece by Schubert written for the Arpegione, a sort of bowed guitar, which was a novetly in Schubert's time, and has since disappeared. Nowadays it would be played by a Cello and a modern piano, but here we hear it played on a genuine Arpegione and a period piano. It's interesting to hear what it sounds like. Is the difference worth the prodigious effort necessary to find such a weird instrument? Given that the cello is one of the most beautiful and satisfactory of modern instruments, and fits the piece delightfully, why bother with an arpegione? Not sure I know the answers, but I'm glad these two people took the trouble to play it on the original instruments.

Hey, and on compromises, my recorder is plastic. That's not exactly authentic, but like modern rope, it's strong and low-maintenance! I remember swings with natural tarred rope when I was little...


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Posted 27 September 2020 - 16:38

Thanks for the link!  The first time I heard the piece was many years ago, played on a clarinet, and I've heard it played on various instruments since, but never before on an actual Arpegione. 

Incidentally, the piano sounds fantastic.  I find the ubiquitous modern Steinway quite jarring sometimes; this has a lovely mellow tone.


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 05:45

elemimele - Thanks - that's interesting. I'd never heard of an Arpegione! You've given me lots to think about, both of you. I still think (from experience with drama) that authentic performance is difficult to achieve. I wonder if it's possible to achieve...


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 08:16

... authentic performance is difficult to achieve. I wonder if it's possible to achieve...

 

I think one can say "no" with almost total certainty!


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 09:26

Even if it were possible...how would you know you'd done it?!


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:37

... very true! And in any case, no matter how authentic the location, the clothing, the instruments, the interpretation, the refreshments, you're not going to have an authentic audience, because they've all heard the Beatles, Enya, and the cocoa-pops adverts. And an audience with modern stuff in their head will respond to old music differently. But hey, it's educational having a good think about it...


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:42

... come to think of it, Maizie, in some very special circumstances it may be possible. One could monitor the response from wherever Lully is buried. A confused grumbling would indicate we've got it wrong; a sigh of contentment would indicate that we've finally interpreted all his squiggles and instructions correctly; a great deal of swearing in 17th C French would indicate that we're playing authentically, and doing all the same things wrong as his contemporaries did!


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:51

That's *much* better than my suggestion of a time-machine... :lol:


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