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#1 Darth_Noob

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 18:08

Hi guys,another similar question. What grade is Chopin's Minute Waltz if it were given one? It is a Trinity grade 8 but i wonder what it is in abrsm standards. I am learning this piece and i just want to know its level.

Thanks :)
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#2 Ligneo Fistula

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 18:33

Grade 8.


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#3 Banjogirl

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 18:45

I learnt it when I was about grade 6 and I could play it not too badly but probably not in a minute!
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Posted 09 November 2019 - 19:04

I learnt it when I was about grade 6 and I could play it not too badly but probably not in a minute!

No one plays it in a minute. I think Grade 7 level players could manage it, but to play well its probably 8   (same applies to Raindrop Prelude, also in D flat). The easier waltzes are the A minor and B Minor  (It was a surprise when ABRSM put in the B minor in Grade 8 for last syllabus).


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Posted 09 November 2019 - 19:42

The first Chopin Waltz that I ever tried to learn was Grande Valse Brillante Op. 18, but I tried to learn it way too early. This is what it was like 10 years ago when I first tried to learn Grande Valse Brillante:

 

When I was in my second year of piano lessons, after flying through the stars with Mozart(I did find Mozart pretty easy, even when I got to sixteenths and triplets(so easy in fact, that it was me playing a Mozart piece with such perfection that swayed my piano teacher away from Bach and Clementi and towards Mozart. And the first Mozart piece I learned with her was the K 545 sonata.)), I was like "I feel ready for some Chopin. If Mozart is so easy for me, than I need to challenge myself a little." My teacher was like "Nope, you have to learn some Beethoven before you even get into Chopin's territory." But, eventually, with persistence, my piano teacher gave me the sheet music for Grande Valse Brillante.

This is sort of what it was like trying to play it for the first time:

*Sitting there practicing a Chopin waltz*
"Get off my piano! You are ruining my piece"
"Oh, but Chopin, I'm trying very hard to play it correctly"
"Out! I can tell that your fingers aren't nimble enough for the waltz. When you start learning my pieces again, start with my nocturnes before you move on to this waltz."
*Me crying and running towards Mozart for consolidation*
"Here are some of my pieces and some directions to Beethoven and CPE Bach. They can get you past my beginner level works. CPE Bach will help you get those nimble fingers you need for Chopin and Beethoven will help you perfect your dynamic control."

 

About 10 years later, when I am able to play Toccata and Fugue in D minor and the Liszt transcription of Beethoven's fifth, I find that my right hand naturally plays at the Presto tempo of Grande Valse Brillante and that it is only the leaping of my left hand that slows me down. I am able to play the Minute Waltz, but, not anywhere near full tempo yet. I'm still at 120 BPM with that waltz.


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#6 JudithJ

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 20:59

Bear in mind that it is minute as in very small, not minute as in 60 seconds.
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Posted 09 November 2019 - 22:14

Bear in mind that it is minute as in very small, not minute as in 60 seconds.


Then I totally nailed it! Who knew?!
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#8 bevpiano

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 22:29

Artur Pizzaro plays it in less than a minute.
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Posted 10 November 2019 - 08:10

 

No one plays it in a minute.

 

 

Bet Chopin did. Liszt probably got it past the post in 52 seconds, and added a few ornaments for fun while he did it.  ;)


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Posted 10 November 2019 - 09:39

Liberace reputedly played it in 37 seconds ("by cutting out the dull bits"). :o


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#11 LoneM

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 12:56

 

 

No one plays it in a minute.

 

 

Bet Chopin did. Liszt probably got it past the post in 52 seconds, and added a few ornaments for fun while he did it.  ;)

 

 

Chopin would have had more taste.


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#12 sharpstudent

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 16:33

Checked it up on Google, it is grade 8


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#13 EllieD

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 20:56

Agreed, LoneM, I am shamed by my comment about Chopin's potential performance. I take it back, with apologies to him. I note that you didn't correct my remark regarding Liszt's possible take on it though!!  :D


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#14 EllieD

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Posted 11 November 2019 - 12:36

PS, if Chopin's Minute Waltz has to be played in under a minute, does Beethoven's Second Symphony have to be played in under a second?  :wacko:  :)


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