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#23071 old_and_grumpy

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 14:16

Aquarelle: I don't at all disagree with what you say - as I said, I wasn't particularly condoning any potential decision to disband the forum, and I very much hope that it doesn't happen.  I've had loads and loads of help, both directly in answer to questions I have posted, and from looking at questions/answers/comments posted by others, and I'm grateful both to the contributors and to the people who enable the forum.  I also think it's nice that there is space for general chat as well, and I take your point about the staff room.  I can still see it from what might be the ABRSM's point of view though.

 

Just a thought: there are several people who post in various parts of this forum who are not anonymous - mainly music teachers who have websites, maybe others too.  Perhaps some kind person would be willing to say that, if this forum is terminated, and if anyone is able to set up an alternative, maybe the kind person could post its location on their website so others could find the new one.  No need then for any kind of global exchanges of email addresses or whatever in advance.  I would offer to do it myself but since I retired I no longer maintain a website.


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#23072 Tenor Viol

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 15:39

A non-music forum I am on had problems with the 'world domination' type of mods... who were so obnoxious that a bunch of us set up a new forum. But as BC2 says, you need some sort of commercial body to sponsor/host it to cover things like server costs.


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#23073 barry-clari the second

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 15:48

A non-music forum I am on had problems with the 'world domination' type of mods... who were so obnoxious that a bunch of us set up a new forum. But as BC2 says, you need some sort of commercial body to sponsor/host it to cover things like server costs.

It’s not just that (as I’m sure you’re only too aware). There is no way I can run a forum like this on my own: I have a day job which takes up a lot of brain and time space and a family and social life. That’s before we get to the fact that although I’m well known in music education in my little corner of Surrey, I’m hardly a household name in music education like, eg Paul Harris, Pam Wedgwood or Edward Huws Jones (note how I’ve picked three people who specialise in different musical instruments!!!)

That said, I know how to operate a forum and am more than happy to start putting feelers out to potential hosts, which I will begin to do in the weeks ahead.
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Posted 21 September 2021 - 16:48

Yeah but we're more important init bro?


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#23075 Misterioso

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 17:20

 

A non-music forum I am on had problems with the 'world domination' type of mods... who were so obnoxious that a bunch of us set up a new forum. But as BC2 says, you need some sort of commercial body to sponsor/host it to cover things like server costs.

It’s not just that (as I’m sure you’re only too aware). There is no way I can run a forum like this on my own: I have a day job which takes up a lot of brain and time space and a family and social life. That’s before we get to the fact that although I’m well known in music education in my little corner of Surrey, I’m hardly a household name in music education like, eg Paul Harris, Pam Wedgwood or Edward Huws Jones (note how I’ve picked three people who specialise in different musical instruments!!!)

That said, I know how to operate a forum and am more than happy to start putting feelers out to potential hosts, which I will begin to do in the weeks ahead.

 

That could well be an excellent way to go.

I, for one, have decamped completely from ABRSM.


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#23076 katyjay

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 19:40

It appears one thing AB may be considering is an online directory of teachers.
Anyone else received / completed the recent survey on qualifications and training ?


They clearly don't like me (possibly the noise I made about the theory exams upset them?) as I've not received anything.
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#23077 maggiemay

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 19:48

 

It appears one thing AB may be considering is an online directory of teachers.
Anyone else received / completed the recent survey on qualifications and training ?


They clearly don't like me (possibly the noise I made about the theory exams upset them?) as I've not received anything.

 

I think it’s more random than that.  Actually it was pretty badly put together . 

I mean - you declare zero interest in something - and on the next page they ask how much you’d be prepared to pay for it . 

 


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#23078 Tenor Viol

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Posted 21 September 2021 - 21:10

Designing questionnaires that work is a skilled job. A lot I see have obviously been designed by clueless people that don't understand concepts such as not leading the responder... or assuming the nature of responses


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#23079 Zixi

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Posted 22 September 2021 - 06:59

Designing questionnaires that work is a skilled job. A lot I see have obviously been designed by clueless people that don't understand concepts such as not leading the responder... or assuming the nature of responses

Absolutely! It's one of those things that many, many people assume they can do without prior training. Sigh.


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Posted 22 September 2021 - 09:00


In fairness to ABRSM they are primarily about music, so any justification for the forum (which must cost something in terms of time and resources) would presumably be connected to music.  I have only recently dipped into the Café and don't read most of what's on it, but I have used the Viva Woodwind forum for several years, and to be honest, it's not exactly humming. 

 

Strangely enough, that was sort of how the TES forums got closed. Years ago there was a lot of interest in the TES subject forums, including music, but it gradually tapered off while a forum called "Opinion" (like the AB café, intended for general discussion) was inundated with messages, often of a political (and sometimes rather vitriolic) nature, especially about Brexit. So TES closed the Opinion forum, only to find that everyone migrated to their Personal forum. Thereafter the TES closed the lot. I hope this doesn't happen with the AB forums.


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#23081 barry-clari the second

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Posted 22 September 2021 - 09:01

It appears one thing AB may be considering is an online directory of teachers.
Anyone else received / completed the recent survey on qualifications and training ?

They clearly don't like me (possibly the noise I made about the theory exams upset them?) as I've not received anything.

If they don’t like you, they probably have a voodoo doll of me!!!
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Posted 22 September 2021 - 09:20

I wonder how many applications to join the forum just go into limbo because no-one at ABRSM gets round to approving them. 


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#23083 fsharpminor

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Posted 22 September 2021 - 10:25

I wonder how many applications to join the forum just go into limbo because no-one at ABRSM gets round to approving them. 

Well Corenfa is still waiting


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Posted 22 September 2021 - 10:39

 


In fairness to ABRSM they are primarily about music, so any justification for the forum (which must cost something in terms of time and resources) would presumably be connected to music.  I have only recently dipped into the Café and don't read most of what's on it, but I have used the Viva Woodwind forum for several years, and to be honest, it's not exactly humming. 

 

Strangely enough, that was sort of how the TES forums got closed. Years ago there was a lot of interest in the TES subject forums, including music, but it gradually tapered off while a forum called "Opinion" (like the AB café, intended for general discussion) was inundated with messages, often of a political (and sometimes rather vitriolic) nature, especially about Brexit. So TES closed the Opinion forum, only to find that everyone migrated to their Personal forum. Thereafter the TES closed the lot. I hope this doesn't happen with the AB forums.

 

 

I have in the past been a member of 2 other forums where much the same also happened.  Maybe it's just a hard-to-avoid feature of human society - forums become a bit clique-ish, "new blood" feels a bit nervous about posting, there is only so much subject-related stuff a small-ish number of people can post, and they end up being more-or-less personal chat rooms.  One of the ones I was in was technical and after the bursting of the dot.com bubble it got to the point where quite a few beginner questions were being asked that just drew answers along the lines of "why should I help you to do a job I would be far better at but I have been made redundant?".  Needless to say, in the end the company responsible for funding it just closed it down.

 

Life, as they say, wasn't meant to be easy!


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Posted 22 September 2021 - 12:06


I wonder how many applications to join the forum just go into limbo because no-one at ABRSM gets round to approving them.

Well Corenfa is still waiting

New account still awaiting the moderator’s approval.
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