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#31 lil_mist

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 22:39

My parents are not musicians, but I used to practice one hour every day (I'm busier with school work and other extracurricular activities). To be honest, though, I think I still lack ability in order to achieve distinction in DipAbrsm.


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 09:26

I have an 11-year old that plays beautifully and most importantly technically and expressively. She really "gets" her music. Right from the start I try to teach my students that music is a living breathing being, that laughs and cries and loves to sing. It can tell stories just like ballet does through dance, and opera through songs. Just like artists paint to express hope, despair and just sheer beauty. Just like authors portray characters in a book and really bring them to life. Sometimes I ask them to create a storyboard to describe what is happening in the music. A brilliant example of this is the current (2019/2020) Grade 4 B list - "Grandmama tells a ghost story".

Anyway, back to the 11-year old, she is about to sit her Grade 6 piano, she really could skip a grade but I prefer to never pressure them, By the time she is 13 she will have Grade 8 under her belt. Plus, she wants to have all her certificates lined up!


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#33 Dorcas

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 12:14

Sorry, but why has such an old thread been ressurrected?  If the topic is relevant to the person reviving it, why not post a completley new one?


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#34 Gran'piano

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 15:31

Sorry, but why has such an old thread been ressurrected?  If the topic is relevant to the person reviving it, why not post a completley new one?

As long as the new posts are really on the same subject, I would have thought it made more sense to resurrect a thread which already has opinions on the subject which might well, even after six years, still be relevant. Or isn't that the done thing on this Forum? This is a genuine question not nit picking. 


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#35 hummingbird

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 15:54

 

Sorry, but why has such an old thread been ressurrected?  If the topic is relevant to the person reviving it, why not post a completley new one?

As long as the new posts are really on the same subject, I would have thought it made more sense to resurrect a thread which already has opinions on the subject which might well, even after six years, still be relevant. Or isn't that the done thing on this Forum? This is a genuine question not nit picking. 

 

There's no rule about it, which means anyone can resurrect any thread if they want.  I don't think "the done thing" comes into it as newbies can't be expected to know what a "done thing" is, and surely we don't want to give the impression that a newbie might unwittingly transgress some unwritten code that only long-standing members know about?  I don't mind old threads being resurrected anyway, and good on lil_mist for contributing :)


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 13:30

Hmm.  Not sure, why not just post a new topic.  Take point about Newbies, we have all been there, but why not just ask the question?


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 13:36

I passed grade 8 piano with distinction when I was barely ten years of age. I am 11 now and doing DipAbrsm.

 

OK, I will give an opinion.  How much do you enjoy spending so much time working just a couple of instruments?  I have had a peek at your profile, and I would be horrified if I found out one of my own students was in your position.  Now, I know, there are prodigies out there, and I know anyone can put anything on their profile, but I would be questioning the parents or carers or teachers, at this point, asking what sort of a social life you have, and which opportunities are provided to you to socialise with people of your own age, if your profile age of 11 is accurate?  Sorry, to go off at such a tangent, but too much achievement too early is not always particularly healthy in the long term, and I am thinking a few decades ahead.

 

Rant over.

 

edit:  I have in mind one particularly well known solo performer, but will not name them as their relatives are still alive.


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#38 hummingbird

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 14:13

Hmm. Not sure, why not just post a new topic. Take point about Newbies, we have all been there, but why not just ask the question?


lil_mist didn't ask a question - s/he simply volunteered some information about him/herself, which seems to have bothered you so much that you have a rant about it.

 

OK, I will give an opinion. How much do you enjoy spending so much time working just a couple of instruments? I have had a peek at your profile, and I would be horrified if I found out one of my own students was in your position. Now, I know, there are prodigies out there, and I know anyone can put anything on their profile, but I would be questioning the parents or carers or teachers, at this point, asking what sort of a social life you have, and which opportunities are provided to you to socialise with people of your own age, if your profile age of 11 is accurate? Sorry, to go off at such a tangent, but too much achievement too early is not always particularly healthy in the long term, and I am thinking a few decades ahead.

Rant over.


Frankly I don’t think any member of this forum should have to justify themselves in the way you have asked lil_mist to. And to have a rant at a newbie for apparently having a musical journey which you don’t agree with is hardly in the spirit of the forum, I would have thought.

One of the mods has just enabled a lot of new members to join, but having seen one of the new members being firstly chastised for having the temerity to resurrect a thread and then ranted at over his/her musical journey, I wouldn't be surprised if not many of them stick around.  I, for one, will be very sorry if that happens.


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 15:34

Hmm.  Fine.  Are you the teacher or the parent?  Or are you a mod?  And if an old thread is brought back to life, questioning why is not allowed?  Yes, I did self-accuse of ranting, but to be frank, I would say so pretty much the same things just as calmly as well.  Frankly, I find it astonishing that I am told off for raising such questions.   If only certain types of question can be asked, and only by cetain types of forumite, it begs the question who is the troll here?

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 15:39

 

Hmm. Not sure, why not just post a new topic. Take point about Newbies, we have all been there, but why not just ask the question?


lil_mist didn't ask a question - s/he simply volunteered some information about him/herself, which seems to have bothered you so much that you have a rant about it.

 

OK, I will give an opinion. How much do you enjoy spending so much time working just a couple of instruments? I have had a peek at your profile, and I would be horrified if I found out one of my own students was in your position. Now, I know, there are prodigies out there, and I know anyone can put anything on their profile, but I would be questioning the parents or carers or teachers, at this point, asking what sort of a social life you have, and which opportunities are provided to you to socialise with people of your own age, if your profile age of 11 is accurate? Sorry, to go off at such a tangent, but too much achievement too early is not always particularly healthy in the long term, and I am thinking a few decades ahead.

Rant over.


Frankly I don’t think any member of this forum should have to justify themselves in the way you have asked lil_mist to. And to have a rant at a newbie for apparently having a musical journey which you don’t agree with is hardly in the spirit of the forum, I would have thought.

One of the mods has just enabled a lot of new members to join, but having seen one of the new members being firstly chastised for having the temerity to resurrect a thread and then ranted at over his/her musical journey, I wouldn't be surprised if not many of them stick around.  I, for one, will be very sorry if that happens.

 

 

So asking a legitimate question is not permissible?  I would say exactly the same to my own students, their parents and friends.  Are you the parent, the student or a mod?  Yes I self-accused of ranting, but I frankly, my remarks hold water, even if said calmly, after a night's sleep and with due consideration.  If this is indeed an 11 year old child, based in the UK, with child protection in mind, I would be  very wary of being involved.   

 

I am not saying I should not be challenged, but surely I have the right to express my opinion?  If not, then there is no point in this forum.


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#41 hummingbird

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 16:14

have decided to put the boot in more often

'Nuff said, I think.












 

Hmm. Fine. Are you the teacher or the parent? Or are you a mod? And if an old thread is brought back to life, questioning why is not allowed? Yes, I did self-accuse of ranting, but to be frank, I would say so pretty much the same things just as calmly as well. Frankly, I find it astonishing that I am told off for raising such questions. If only certain types of question can be asked, and only by cetain types of forumite, it begs the question who is the troll here?
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So asking a legitimate question is not permissible? I would say exactly the same to my own students, their parents and friends. Are you the parent, the student or a mod? Yes I self-accused of ranting, but I frankly, my remarks hold water, even if said calmly, after a night's sleep and with due consideration. If this is indeed an 11 year old child, based in the UK, with child protection in mind, I would be very wary of being involved.

I am not saying I should not be challenged, but surely I have the right to express my opinion? If not, then there is no point in this forum.


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 18:37

OK, so one flippant answer on a different thread, you cut and paste, and hey presto, you have made your point?  Context is everything, Hummingbird.  And not, not necessarily, enough said.

 

I think I might start going back to the other thread about how miserable this forum is becoming.  May the OP on that one was correct after all?


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#43 mel2

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 19:04

...that dot on the horizon must be lil_mist legging it back to their piano.

Probably practising an instrument is better than sitting in a bedroom playing Fortnite and winning millions. Oh, wait.....
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Posted 22 September 2019 - 19:34

OK, so one flippant answer on a different thread, you cut and paste, and hey presto, you have made your point?  Context is everything, Hummingbird.  And not, not necessarily, enough said.
 
I think I might start going back to the other thread about how miserable this forum is becoming.  May the OP on that one was correct after all?

I don't think the forum is becoming miserable at all, but perhaps it's a bit like beauty being in the eye of the beholder :D  All that's happened on this thread is that you've been very critical towards a newbie on two separate counts; and when I've pointed out that your posts are unhelpful in encouraging newbies to stick around, you've responded by making a personal attack on me.  If you think the forum is becoming miserable, why not stop putting the boot in to your fellow members!


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 20:04

... what I would say is that "I wrote my doctoral thesis at age 8" threads tend to be a little off-putting to those who are struggling to learn an instrument later in life, who find themselves feeling rather written-off because they've reached the grand old age of 12 and they're still on grade 4.

 

Perhaps one should accept the diversity of the human race. Some blossom early, some blossom late. Some blossom and move on; some blossom and bear fruit. The fact that one person achieves something remarkable at a young age doesn't mean that another won't achieve just as much later, or that their achievement is any the less. Life is, one hopes, long... Some will measure their journey by milestones, others by the scent of the summer air on the road - and there is no right or wrong to either approach.


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