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#31 Hildegard

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 10:40

Apologies to Hildegard and others for cross posting this and I hope you don't mind - but given the circumstances etc etc.
 

 

As I have just written in the Teachers forum, I am astonished that teachers do not want to read there about the number of school pupils now being sent home to quarantine. 443 schools with cases of Covid-19 in Greater Manchester alone and another three schools closed completely yesterday. Given that the vast majority of music teachers' pupils are school-aged children, I would have thought this was very much a topic for a forum called "Teachers" rather than one that deals with gardening and bad puns on subject titles. Still, if self-appointed moderators decide to move threads around, there is little I can do about it. :(
 


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Posted 16 October 2020 - 11:36

I confess I don't really understand why anyone was exercised about the Face Coverings thread in the Teachers forum.  There's no compulsion to read anything on any forum ... you can just choose not to click on it.  


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#33 ma non troppo

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 12:59

I don't get it either. Life isn't a bed of roses and you can't stick your fingers in your ears and go lalala.

Edwardo - exactly.

Perhaps I was being over sensitive to the sensitive. ;)
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#34 corenfa

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 13:17

That thread had digressed very far from the original topic and had become a discussion about C-19 itself. I was not upset about it but I agree that a general discussion about C-19 wasn't that relevant to music teaching. This forum as a whole is about music, with the Cafe as the place to discuss any non musical topic. That's why I started it here. People can discuss here or not, I don't care, but that's my reasoning for starting this.

I'm not the forum police so if people want to discuss elsewhere because they think this is the wrong place, then they are free to do so, if other people then get unhappy about that in turn, none of this is on my head.
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#35 Gran'piano

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 13:17

In a country district where there are very few cases of Covid-19, obviously no-one is going to be keen on accepting strict preventative rulings. Just a gentle reminder to us all that things can go pear-shaped quite quickly. I appreciate that the numbers involved are very low compared to those of other countries but it was the unexpectedness of the event which shocked the Swiss. In farming areas things which happen in the towns and cities sometimes seem as distant and as irrelevant to daily life as life on Mars.


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#36 Hildegard

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 13:40

That thread had digressed very far from the original topic and had become a discussion about C-19 itself. I was not upset about it but I agree that a general discussion about C-19 wasn't that relevant to music teaching..

 

I agree that this is not the place for a discussion about C-19. However, my post was about the very large number of pupils now in quarantine (a fact that the government is trying to hide) and the effect that this is having when families do not have the resources to pay for online lessons. Basically, lessons are cancelled, parents are afraid because people in Tier 3 are are prohibited from socialising with anybody they do not live with (while spending half an hour with a music teacher may not be socialising, it is clear that some see it in the same light) and teachers are losing pupils hand over foot. Also, with Tier 3 now extending beyond Liverpool to Lancashire in general, the enhanced restrictions are likely to severely restrict the forthcoming face-to-face exams in the North West. I am sorry if some people think this is irrelevant to them - if so, they are lucky. Some of our colleagues are not as fortunate.


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#37 ma non troppo

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 20:30

I'll happily talk about it anywhere.

Many of us disagree over issues surrounding it, but so what? It's the issue at hand and it's healthy to discuss it. We are all grown ups here and can have a civilised discussion.

I do wonder where the people who are upset by it are coming from (both figuratively and geographically).

Yes, we may go round and round and often disagree, but it needs to be discussed. No one here is a "bad person" . It's a helpful discussion, and I think most of us have views that are not so polarised as it may seem.
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Posted 16 October 2020 - 23:57

In the UK , I’m in a very rural area, but my closest big city ( and where I travel to the only hairdresser for miles around who can do anything with my otherwise unruly mop-head) is one with a staggeringly high R rate but yet has somehow managed to stay in Tier 2 when all the stats I’ve seen put it at worse than today’s Tier 3 areas.
Goodness only knows how these things are decided.
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#39 AdLibitum

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 06:50

I think they might be lumping together smaller areas with different rates, taking the average and using it to make the decision about the whole bigger area. Nothing that could possibly be wrong with that, right?

BTW Minstrel, I sympathise with the near impossibility of finding a competent hairdresser for a specific type of hair!
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Posted 18 October 2020 - 11:51

Is a "National Circuit Breaker" just a cooler sounding code for a lockdown?
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Posted 18 October 2020 - 13:26

I think they might be lumping together smaller areas with different rates, taking the average and using it to make the decision about the whole bigger area. Nothing that could possibly be wrong with that, right?

BTW Minstrel, I sympathise with the near impossibility of finding a competent hairdresser for a specific type of hair!

Yes that's what's happening on Merseyside.   Wirral Borough is part of Merseyside, but of course the other side of the Mersey.  The Infection rate is considerably lower than in Liverpool City, Knowsley and Sefton boroughs. Wirral has some hotter spots in Wallasey, New Brighton , Birkenhead,   but down here in the SW corner of Wirral (we are a few hundred yards of being in West Cheshire) and also in Eastham (on the opposite side) rates are much lower, and yet we're in Tier 3. . Wirral had 868 cases in 7 days to yesterday, a rate of   261/100,000.   we are recommended not to leave the borough, so we can only go northwards, where the rate is higher.


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Posted 18 October 2020 - 14:21

Is a "National Circuit Breaker" just a cooler sounding code for a lockdown?

 

A "circuit breaker" is poorly defined and seems to mean different things to different people. However, unlike a lockdown, it would probably not involve closing schools, universities nor non-essential shops. So it would be unlikely to be as effective as a lockdown.


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Posted 18 October 2020 - 15:45

Wirral Borough is part of Merseyside, but of course the other side of the Mersey.  The Infection rate is considerably lower than in Liverpool City, Knowsley and Sefton boroughs. Wirral has some hotter spots in Wallasey, New Brighton , Birkenhead,   but down here in the SW corner of Wirral (we are a few hundred yards of being in West Cheshire) and also in Eastham (on the opposite side) rates are much lower, and yet we're in Tier 3. . Wirral had 868 cases in 7 days to yesterday, a rate of   261/100,000.   we are recommended not to leave the borough, so we can only go northwards, where the rate is higher.

 

I noticed in London that some boroughs have three times the number of confirmed cases than others. I guess there is not much that can be done about this, because if you had adjacent small areas allocated to different tiers, you would have school kids and workers having to cross the boundaries between tiers daily.
 


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Posted 18 October 2020 - 16:08


Is a "National Circuit Breaker" just a cooler sounding code for a lockdown?


A "circuit breaker" is poorly defined and seems to mean different things to different people. However, unlike a lockdown, it would probably not involve closing schools, universities nor non-essential shops. So it would be unlikely to be as effective as a lockdown.

Thanks Hildegard. I hope the circuit breakers in my house are more effective!

How about "Lockdown Lite?" More accurate, and only two words for us plebs to cope with instead of the usual brain-taxing three.

(Could double duty as a new brand of beer, though I expect someone's already thought of that. Cheers!)
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Posted 18 October 2020 - 17:50

I'll happily talk about it anywhere.

Many of us disagree over issues surrounding it, but so what? It's the issue at hand and it's healthy to discuss it. We are all grown ups here and can have a civilised discussion.

I do wonder where the people who are upset by it are coming from (both figuratively and geographically).

Yes, we may go round and round and often disagree, but it needs to be discussed. No one here is a "bad person" . It's a helpful discussion, and I think most of us have views that are not so polarised as it may seem.

 

What MNT said.


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