Lemontree
Nov 18 2008, 02:25 PM
I just wonder, there are so many instruments out there, which I think are woodwind, but never show up anywhere. So, what instruments are considered to be woodwind?
When I think about it, the following pop into my mind:
Recorder (Descant, Treble, Alto)
Garkleinfloetlein
Cornamuse
Bassoon
Oboe
Flute
Saxophone
Clarinett
What else?
Babybird2
Nov 18 2008, 02:28 PM
Cor anglais
And if you want a few you've never heard of....
Woodwind Instruments
Czerny
Nov 18 2008, 02:30 PM
Piccolo. And what the heck is a Cornamuse and a Garkleinfloetlein?? (Not to mention a clarinett. Sorry...)
Babybird2
Nov 18 2008, 02:35 PM
The garklein is a little recorder.
I've never heard of a cornamuse either. It appears to be some sort of double reed instrument

Looks like this:
Lemontree
Nov 18 2008, 02:37 PM
QUOTE(Czerny @ Nov 18 2008, 03:30 PM)

Piccolo. And what the heck is a Cornamuse and a Garkleinfloetlein?? (Not to mention a clarinett. Sorry...)
For Cornamuse look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornamuseFor Garkleinfloetlein there is only the German Wiki page:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garklein It's the smallest of all recorders
Sorry, meant Clarinet with one t. Got confused with the German term.
QUOTE(Babybird2 @ Nov 18 2008, 03:35 PM)

The garklein is a little recorder.
I've never heard of a cornamuse either. It appears to be some sort of double reed instrument

Hey Babybird, great link. Thanks.
nickjones8
Nov 18 2008, 02:57 PM
Heckelphone. Sarrusophone. Duduk.
French horn? Not really ... but it does, confusingly appear in wind quintets .... a kind of amphibian among instruments!
nick
fsharpminor
Nov 18 2008, 03:09 PM
There is also a Rackett, a mediaeval woodwind sometimes also known as a sausage bassoon. But here are also higher register ones as well.
Later edit - I see its on Babybirds very comprehensive list !
Czerny
Nov 18 2008, 03:17 PM
QUOTE(Babybird2 @ Nov 18 2008, 02:35 PM)

The garklein is a little recorder.
So does this mean an ordinary recorder can also be called a 'gark'?

QUOTE(fsharpminor @ Nov 18 2008, 03:09 PM)

There is also a Rackett, a mediaeval woodwind sometimes also known as a sausage bassoon.
I can imagine its name could be somewhat onomatopoeiac...
tamsin
Nov 18 2008, 04:46 PM
Sadly not, in this sense the 'klein' would be 'little' and the 'gar' tend to imply 'very'.
pushpull
Nov 18 2008, 05:04 PM
QUOTE(tamsin @ Nov 18 2008, 04:46 PM)

Sadly not, in this sense the 'klein' would be 'little' and the 'gar' tend to imply 'very'.
And the "lein" at the end of flotlein also means little or tiny.
So its full name is a "very small tiny flute". I think we should call them "cute flutes".
A.U.K
Nov 18 2008, 06:51 PM
Piccolo Oboe (Musette I think)
Oboe (of course)
Cor Anglais (English Horn in the USA) eg. New world symphony (Dvorjak)
Oboe D'amore ( The Lurve Oboe) eg Bolero (Ravel)
Bass Oboe (rare and rarely used) does pop up in the Planet Suite (Holst)
Hecklephone (never seen one) but they usually double when a Base Oboe is required and one isn't available.
Bassoon..
Contra Bassoon...
Piccolo.
Flute
Alto flute
Bass Flute
All the Clarinet family
All the Saxophone family
All The Recorder family..
pushpull
Nov 18 2008, 07:04 PM
QUOTE(A.U.K @ Nov 18 2008, 06:51 PM)

Piccolo Oboe (Musette I think)
Oboe (of course)
Cor Anglais (English Horn in the USA) eg. New world symphony (Dvorjak)
Oboe D'amore ( The Lurve Oboe) eg Bolero (Ravel)
Bass Oboe (rare and rarely used) does pop up in the Planet Suite (Holst)
Hecklephone (never seen one) but they usually double when a Base Oboe is required and one isn't available.
Bassoon..
Contra Bassoon...
Ah trust you to get all the double reeds.

Quite right too. I have a copy of Joppig's book on oboe & bassoon which has all sorts of related (mostly defunct) instruments. The only one which springs to mind is the Rothphone.
Speaking of the oboe d'amore, I saw and heard one for the first time the other day (courtesy of the New Noise duo). What a lovely thing that is.
nickjones8
Nov 18 2008, 07:16 PM
Rothphone! of course .. related to the sarrusophone. And the chalemeau (sp?) and teh bombarde, adn all manner of other little folk things. And the ocarina ...
And maybe the bullroarer - or does that count as percussion...?
nick
notmusimum
Nov 18 2008, 07:29 PM
Bombarde
Chalameau
Thought I'd mention a couple of obscure ones

What about whistles are they woodwind? I know they're not wooden but neither is Flute.
Jon S
Nov 18 2008, 07:33 PM
I thought the deffinition was something you blow into, and play by covering/uncovering holes rather than varying the length of tube with valves or a slide as in brass instruments?
Not sure where that would leave something like pan-pipes or a swanee whistle though!
pushpull
Nov 18 2008, 07:47 PM
QUOTE(Jon S @ Nov 18 2008, 07:33 PM)

I thought the deffinition was something you blow into, and play by covering/uncovering holes rather than varying the length of tube with valves or a slide as in brass instruments?
Not sure where that would leave something like pan-pipes or a swanee whistle though!
Hopefully at more than arms length.
hello_cello
Nov 18 2008, 08:26 PM
QUOTE(pushpull @ Nov 18 2008, 07:47 PM)

QUOTE(Jon S @ Nov 18 2008, 07:33 PM)

I thought the deffinition was something you blow into, and play by covering/uncovering holes rather than varying the length of tube with valves or a slide as in brass instruments?
Not sure where that would leave something like pan-pipes or a swanee whistle though!
Hopefully at more than arms length.

no ones mentioned bagpipes!
Czerny
Nov 18 2008, 08:32 PM
QUOTE(pushpull @ Nov 18 2008, 05:04 PM)

QUOTE(tamsin @ Nov 18 2008, 04:46 PM)

Sadly not, in this sense the 'klein' would be 'little' and the 'gar' tend to imply 'very'.
And the "lein" at the end of flotlein also means little or tiny.
So its full name is a "very small tiny flute". I think we should call them "cute flutes".
So they're generally quite small, then? Not at all large in any way...
fabnt
Nov 18 2008, 08:39 PM
Just remember that
WIND applies to both woodwind and brass. Don't get wind and woodwind mixed up.

You probably won't see it on the internet, but Chanter is a woodwind instrument too. It uses a double reed.
pushpull
Nov 18 2008, 08:46 PM
QUOTE(fabnt @ Nov 18 2008, 08:39 PM)

Just remember that
WIND applies to both woodwind and brass. Don't get wind and woodwind mixed up.

You probably won't see it on the internet, but Chanter is a woodwind instrument too. It uses a double reed.
Yeah but that's just the business end of bagpipes.
Oh and before anyone drones on and on (geddit?) about how awful bagpipes are, at least two of us here on the forums swoon at the sound of Northumbrian Smallpipes. So there
fabnt
Nov 18 2008, 08:50 PM
But i meant the chanter as in the instrument on it's own.
I have a chanter, but no bagpipes. I got it when my granddad died.
hello_cello
Nov 18 2008, 08:55 PM
oooh i love highand bagpipes!
Lemontree
Nov 18 2008, 10:16 PM
Yeah, and the flute is considered to be woodwind even if its made out of silver, because that's what it was originally - and still is - made of: wood.
By the way, my mother has a cornamuse. Its quite hard to play, same fingering as a recorder. And sounds like a lovesick duck. She has a Garkleinflötlein, too. It can't be longer than 6 inches (= 15 cm).
CJB
Nov 19 2008, 06:00 PM
QUOTE(pushpull @ Nov 18 2008, 09:46 PM)

QUOTE(fabnt @ Nov 18 2008, 08:39 PM)

Just remember that
WIND applies to both woodwind and brass. Don't get wind and woodwind mixed up.

You probably won't see it on the internet, but Chanter is a woodwind instrument too. It uses a double reed.
Yeah but that's just the business end of bagpipes.
Oh and before anyone drones on and on (geddit?) about how awful bagpipes are, at least two of us here on the forums swoon at the sound of Northumbrian Smallpipes. So there

I think it is such a shame that the word bagpipe is always associated with highland bagpipes (fine if outside and a solitary piper is on the other side of a loch - massed pipes = weapon of war!) the Northumbrian pipes are gorgeous sounding things.
fabnt
Nov 19 2008, 07:18 PM
QUOTE(CJB @ Nov 19 2008, 06:00 PM)

I think it is such a shame that the word bagpipe is always associated with highland bagpipes (fine if outside and a solitary piper is on the other side of a loch - massed pipes = weapon of war!) the Northumbrian pipes are gorgeous sounding things.
When people talk about bagpipes here however, they refer to the irish uilleann pipes..
Off topic: We're playing a braveheart medley in our wind band, and a flautist and the tuba guy are playing uilleann pipes! XD It's gonna be cool.
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