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Rock Star Guy
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Robodoc
QUOTE(Rock Star Guy @ May 25 2007, 02:46 PM) *

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Whilst I was making a hash of numbers 1, 8 and 13 today, my piano teacher reminded me that they were written for his children. That made me feel really small until I remembered that JS's children include such as CPE, JC and WF, who weren't exactly dufers on a keyboard!
Anyway, the 2 part inventions start at about grade 4-5 (e.g. no. 1) and go up to about grade 6-7 (e.g. no.8). Do you really want a number by number listing? I doubt if such a thing exists.
organgrinder
QUOTE(Robodoc @ May 25 2007, 07:36 PM) *

QUOTE(Rock Star Guy @ May 25 2007, 02:46 PM) *

does what it says on the tin smile.gif

Whilst I was making a hash of numbers 1, 8 and 13 today, my piano teacher reminded me that they were written for his children. That made me feel really small until I remembered that JS's children include such as CPE, JC and WF, who weren't exactly dufers on a keyboard!
Anyway, the 2 part inventions start at about grade 4-5 (e.g. no. 1) and go up to about grade 6-7 (e.g. no.8). Do you really want a number by number listing? I doubt if such a thing exists.



No 8 in F major was on for Grade 5 a few years back

No 11 (im not sure of this number) - but the one in B flat was on for Grade 7
Robodoc
QUOTE(organgrinder @ May 25 2007, 11:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Robodoc @ May 25 2007, 07:36 PM) *

QUOTE(Rock Star Guy @ May 25 2007, 02:46 PM) *

does what it says on the tin smile.gif

Whilst I was making a hash of numbers 1, 8 and 13 today, my piano teacher reminded me that they were written for his children. That made me feel really small until I remembered that JS's children include such as CPE, JC and WF, who weren't exactly dufers on a keyboard!
Anyway, the 2 part inventions start at about grade 4-5 (e.g. no. 1) and go up to about grade 6-7 (e.g. no.8). Do you really want a number by number listing? I doubt if such a thing exists.



No 8 in F major was on for Grade 5 a few years back

No 11 (im not sure of this number) - but the one in B flat was on for Grade 7

Seriously?? I find it hard to believe that 11 (in B flat, you're right) is considered harder than 8 (inF)! Actually I'm fairly sure I did 11 for grade 5, albeit 35 years ago. Are you sure it wasn't the 3 part invention no. 11 (aka sinfonia and also in B flat)?
organgrinder
QUOTE(Robodoc @ May 25 2007, 11:34 PM) *

QUOTE(organgrinder @ May 25 2007, 11:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Robodoc @ May 25 2007, 07:36 PM) *

QUOTE(Rock Star Guy @ May 25 2007, 02:46 PM) *

does what it says on the tin smile.gif

Whilst I was making a hash of numbers 1, 8 and 13 today, my piano teacher reminded me that they were written for his children. That made me feel really small until I remembered that JS's children include such as CPE, JC and WF, who weren't exactly dufers on a keyboard!
Anyway, the 2 part inventions start at about grade 4-5 (e.g. no. 1) and go up to about grade 6-7 (e.g. no.8). Do you really want a number by number listing? I doubt if such a thing exists.



No 8 in F major was on for Grade 5 a few years back

No 11 (im not sure of this number) - but the one in B flat was on for Grade 7

Seriously?? I find it hard to believe that 11 (in B flat, you're right) is considered harder than 8 (inF)! Actually I'm fairly sure I did 11 for grade 5, albeit 35 years ago. Are you sure it wasn't the 3 part invention no. 11 (aka sinfonia and also in B flat)?


No it was definitely the 2-part invention. I def think that there are elements of no.11 which would be tricky for many to play - the imitation between the hands etc.
maggiemay
No 11 (in G minor, not B flat) was once set for grade 5 I believe.

(ed) looking at my two editions here to see if numbering is different - but it seems to be the same). No 14 is in B flat I think.

No 15 in B minor was set for grade 6 a few years ago.
Robodoc
QUOTE(maggiemay @ May 26 2007, 04:42 PM) *

No 11 (in G minor, not B flat) was once set for grade 5 I believe.

I really must stop looking at the key signature without thinking!! mea culpa etc.

And yes, I did do it for grade 5, in 1973
Dulciana
I think it's the one in Bb that's on the TG Grade 6 Syllabus at the minute. I'm not sure of the number either!
dorfmouse
I can refer you to two excellent links;
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,...5.html#msg50895
(Grades for all Inventions, sinfonias, French and English suites)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,...5.html#msg49995
(This is an insight into what may have been Bach's teaching intentions)

2 Part Inventions;
G5; 1,2,4,8,10,13,14
G6; 3,5,6,7,9
7/8; 11,12,15

Sinfonias (3 Part Inventions);
G6/7; 1,3,6,10,11,12,13
G7/8; 2,4,5,7,8,9,14,15
Robodoc
QUOTE(dorfmouse @ May 27 2007, 10:01 AM) *

I can refer you to two excellent links;
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,...5.html#msg50895
(Grades for all Inventions, sinfonias, French and English suites)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,...5.html#msg49995
(This is an insight into what may have been Bach's teaching intentions)

2 Part Inventions;
G5; 1,2,4,8,10,13,14
G6; 3,5,6,7,9
7/8; 11,12,15

Sinfonias (3 Part Inventions);
G6/7; 1,3,6,10,11,12,13
G7/8; 2,4,5,7,8,9,14,15

What an informative pair of links, thankyou for this. Seems I was wrong about no such thing! Having said which I still cannot believe that no. 11 (which I palyed for grade 5) is considered 2-3 grades harder than no. 8 (which I'm learning now).

The short article on the original ms in WFB's notebook is fascinating and gives a real sense of structure to it all that it didn't have before!

Having said all of which, what about the grade of learning multiple works simultaneously - I think I'll start another thread!
organgrinder
QUOTE(dorfmouse @ May 27 2007, 10:01 AM) *

I can refer you to two excellent links;
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,...5.html#msg50895
(Grades for all Inventions, sinfonias, French and English suites)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,...5.html#msg49995
(This is an insight into what may have been Bach's teaching intentions)

2 Part Inventions;
G5; 1,2,4,8,10,13,14
G6; 3,5,6,7,9
7/8; 11,12,15

Sinfonias (3 Part Inventions);
G6/7; 1,3,6,10,11,12,13
G7/8; 2,4,5,7,8,9,14,15


That corresponds nicely with my theory on the B flat one - nice link - thanks
Rock Star Guy
QUOTE(dorfmouse @ May 27 2007, 10:01 AM) *

2 Part Inventions;
G5; 1,2,4,8,10,13,14
G6; 3,5,6,7,9
7/8; 11,12,15

Sinfonias (3 Part Inventions);
G6/7; 1,3,6,10,11,12,13
G7/8; 2,4,5,7,8,9,14,15


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